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December 03, 2008

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Who are these guys again? And secondly why the hell if they are making so much money online would they want to share this with everyone and flood the that particular market? I got the report but again it doesn't say jack as to who this person is. I'm just wondering why they would want total saturation from this when they launch it being Brad Fallon is working in conjunction with these masked men.

Scott

Sorry you didn't like the Arbitrage Conspiracy report.

I found it very interesting but then I didn't know anything about PPC arbitrage before and had never seen it as an opportunity.

I share your concerns about the opportunity being flooded as I mention in the blog although I would suspect that people are going to concentrate on niches.

I know little about Aymen but I do trust Brad Fallon.

As for motivation behind the Arbitrage Conspiracy and teaching people about PPC arbitrage, I understand that Aymen is launching a CPA network and wants people to promote the items successfully.

Paul

Roger that Paul,

I thought the report was good to go I am just suspicious is all. There is another guy in Canada doing this arbitrage deal I can't remember his name I think it gunther somthing. My understanding is google is cracking down on this aren't they?

Scott

I believe you are right to be suspicious. The potential profit claims on the Arbitrage Conspiracy are so huge that everyone should require more proof and understanding.

When I did a quick search on Google I found something about a crackdown but I can't really understand why at the moment.

If the people are prepared to pay 3x in the CPA network for leads, and you can attract traffic in Adwords for X, I can't see how Google is losing out from the PPC Arbitrage.

It's why the payments would be so high in the CPA networks that I don't understand although you require a positive action to get your money while PPC will just cost you on the click, regardless of whether the action is taken.

Look out for the next video - The Arbitrage Blueprint.

From what I hear, there is massive interest in the Arbitrage Conspiracy report with over 12,000 copies downloaded in the first 24 hours and I am certainly seeing a lot of traffic coming through on this blog.

Paul

Hi Paul,


This is definitely a science no doubt about it. See if these guys are promoting this arbitrage ie Brad Fallen they would already be in the know I would think as to if Google was trying hard to stop these guys from making a killing etc. So as you said Brad Fallan is a big dog in the internet world and has a pretty good rep "so as we know of". Them downloading 12,000 copies is nuts so again going back to my original argument if you have 12,000 people doing the same technique, looking for niches, micro niches etc what do you think. Now im on I think brad's mailing list so he probably mailed that out to 10's of thousands etc you know. Again this looks good but i have been burned so many times now it's rediculous.

Take care
Scott

Doesn't ANYONE remember TrafficTactics with Caros and Lupe Garcia??? This is the EXACT same program they were promoting last year, just with a different name. They charged $25,000 to get direct access to them as coaches and $10,000 just to get into the program (but with no direct access to them, just the info).

I am waiting to see what the launch price will be. Sure you can make money spending as little as $5 per day with PPC, but how much do you have pay to get access to the nitty-gritty info that will MAKE you or BREAK you in this High RISK, High REWARD venture???

Hopefully, since Aymen will eventually be promoting his own CPA network, he wil give most of the information away for free, so he doesn't squeeze out his own future clients...Or maybe he ONLY wants people who can afford a several thousand dollar price tag training???

Either way, this information is nothing new. It just has a new cool sounding name. Ironically, some of the same people who were promoting TrafficTactics last year were the same people at the pre-lauch for Arbitrage. You would have thought they would have made a killing by now already using these tactics they learned last year by now???

Just my two cents..

Jerry

Abritrage does work! The only reason to worry about floods is if you are too lazy to research micro-niches and apply some simple standard deviation math.

Scott - I think everyone on these big Internet launches needs to be careful to avoid being burnt. Most of what I have seen has been excellent quality but I have bought boxes I haven't even opened and others that I've read and taken no action. Others have done me very nicely when I buy into the ideas and do the work.

So it is the same with the PPC Arbitrage with Aymen. If the idea appeals, you understand the concepts, the price is reasonable and you are sure you will take action, then it looks an interesting proposition.

Jerry - I remember seeing the promotional blurb about Traffic Tactics but didn't pay any attention and didn't realise it was about PPC arbitrage.

I have no idea how much Aymen will be charging for the product behind the Arbitrage Conspiracy.

Tony Rocks - Standard deviation math may be simple to some but to others, it's like talking Martian.

Guys its like the 100 meter run befroe noone thought ot could be done under 10 sec and now ppl breaking the record at every other event.

we are only limited to our own imagination - watch more ppl make 50 -100k a day soon ...

cisco

Aymen is the real deal and his material works. Once you drop the mindset that these numbers are big you can achieve more.

He spent a lot of money to get to the point where he knows what will work fairly quickly.

Cisco - I like your confidence and positive attitude on this. I agree that we can have self imposed limits and constraints.

It is almost as if people think "I am not worthy of making $10k per day". As far as I am concerned if you can do it legally, ethically and morally, then good on you.

James - thanks for your endorsement of Aymen and his PPC arbitrage techniques.

The numbers are big - in fact huge. But each of us has our our comfort level and I always favour taking baby steps so that you take action.

As you make money, and become more confident, you can take bigger steps.

This helps stop the overwhelm factor of the "this is a huge risk".

I really appreciate all the comments on here about Aymen, the Arbitrage Conspiracy and PPC arbitrage.

It's a load of rubbish.

Why Ben, why?

What didn't you like about the Arbitrage Conspiracy report?

Hi Paul,

You wrote, "Why Ben, why? What didn't you like about the Arbitrage Conspiracy report?"

I cannot talk for Ben. But for me it's my experience dealing with Internet Marketing. Just from the top of my head, here are a few why's:-

1. I have been 'burnt' so many times with hyped-up promotions and 'surefire get rich quick' calls.

2. Internet Marketing is not as easy as most 'Guru's' with products to sell make them out.

3. The learning curve is so steep for most of us newbies that we just manage to scratch the bottom of the pot to make pittance.

4. We've been sold to much 'stardust' that everything coming promising huge sums of money are looked upon as being a scam.

5. I, myself, sometimes wonder when am I going to stop myself chasing after the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Sometimes, I feel that maybe IM is just for those people with the BIG names. Not for someone like me!

Thanks for the space.

Noor

Hi Noor

Thanks for your comment but it seems to apply to all Internet marketing product launches and not just the Arbitrage Conspiracy.

I think people are right to be dubious of each and every launch and they have to very carefully choose which to buy and which to ignore.

All are beautifully marketed and look to be "the solution".

In my experience, quality standards from the big gurus are generally good and it often comes down more to the buyer not implementing.

For example you found my blog through a search engine and that's happened because I made SEO a priority for me and committed my time to it.

The worst problem is to buy A and do little or nothing with it and then buy B and then C repeating the pattern.

The Arbitrage Conspiracy looks like an interesting product but only you can decide if it is right for you.

It's hit and run marketing and it's in full swing right now... just
be careful...

But Charles just wrote a GREAT PIECE to a reply about
the "NEWESET FAD" that is being fed to experienced, as well
as inexperienced marketers TODAY, like, right now!

I've personally received more than 10 invites from 10 different
"biz op" promoters about this seemingly great "thing" about a
guy who is making over $100K per day online...


Yep... pretty compelling huh?


Well... check out the story behind the story before you
go prancing in to spend BIG BUCKS on more "guru" garbage...


Here is Charle's comment:

----------------------------


Hi Phil,

Arbitrage is the process of buying traffic at one price and then selling it to companies at a higher price. It has typically been done through sending traffic through Pay-Per-Click to offers which convert good enough to cover the cost plus a tidy profit.

Since 2006 ... When Google started tweaking quality scores based on the landing pages (where clicks are sent) ... the arbitrage game got tougher and tougher. $.10 clicks became $5 clicks and the trend remains the same today... We tested it and continue to do so. Now you have to create landing pages for untested products to keep quality scores high and you have to spend a good amount of money hunting diamonds in the rough. Once you find those diamonds then everyone else running arbitrage comes swooping in which cuts directly into your profit margin.

Now there are only a handful of promotions that work, it is very time consuming and more often than not, you're losing money in the process.

In any case there a bunch of well known people that jumped on the promotion bandwagon for this deal. I have lost a ton of respect for a great number of people that I used to trust and respect because they have all shown their true morals by promoting this deal... They were offered handsome commissions to promote a system that is dying.

Why would someone supposedly making $100k (PER DAY) want to ruin their own system by selling it to people for $1600? ... Why would well known and respected people promote this?

MONEY and ignorance... It's a cash grab of phenomenal proportions. Many of the top marketers have never run arbitrage but because other well known people are promoting it... It must be good right? ... Wrong.

I am keeping a list of all the "gurus" that are promoting this offer so I know who to trust VS whose morals are tainted toward profit rather then the well being of their followers.

- Charles

Charles

A hard hitting comment and I am trying to keep an open mind on this.

From what I understand - and I have tried to make it clear that I am not a PPC expert, let alone PPC arbitrage into the CPA network - there is an opportunity.

Pure PPC arbitrage is difficult but this is buying traffic in one market and selling it in another.

From last night's call I also understand that there are cross country opportunities so margins may be very tight in Google.com but it is less competitive in Google.co.uk.

I haven't seen the sales letter yet but last night on the call Aymen was offering your money back plus $500 guarantee provided you followed his system.

That seems fair to me.

What every your objections are... they sound like excuses to me... Almost everyone I know is on board with this program and Aymen is one the nicest people I know. If you do not get what you want from this program then go ahead and live an ordinary life. Broke until the end.

Indeed PPC and CPA are as old as imprudent labour goverments.

Why would they pay 3x for a lead that they could get for x ( because sometimes you might have paid 5x to get that 3x lead - and you pay for the traffic first and get the lead later ) mostly big companies paying for the leads only want the leads and dont want the tire kickers. its cheaper to arbitrage and its lower risk

why would he sell it to everyone if he is making so much ( because hes in the middle - and runs the cpa offer house between the company and you - so , like any middle man , he makes his cut and now has a few thousand risking all to get traffic and he makes a % on the winners )

why is brad and every other guru pushing this ( affifilate commisions on jv to big list owning gurus is >50% - so at $2000 a programme, they make $1000+ per sale. 2000 customers get in officially, most of them will be jv sold. ) 150 top gurus were there. name them and they were in the room - did they pay 10k - show me a invoice/statement/voucher match and I'll believe you.

is it worth it ? ( apprantley some of the 150 gurus left after 40 minutes becuase PPC and CPA is nothing new ! ) and they make $100,000 daily ( sometimes ) because they have worked bloody hard, have specific tools to automate and manage it and the vast majority will buy it and a) do nothing, b) so something, but small numbers c) do lots and get burned d) do ok but not 6 figures )and a very small minority will do >10k *( but were probably doing well before with ppc affiliate/cpa selling)

now it is entirely possible to make those big numbers BUT you wont be doing it from ppc alone ( * quote from current CPA house manager ) and yopu will need tools, deep pockets and slick procedures to stay net +ve

the gurus will be making money on the signups, sales, x-sells and up sells, and the monthly memberships..... and they wont be worrying about you making a return.
( watch for wordtracker, stompernet, traffic *anything*, magic tool z as 1 month free bonuses )

give it a year and it will be relaunched as 2009 arbritage secrets....

Pete

Thanks for your very long comment.

I take it that the Arbitrage Conspiracy is not for you.

I have tried to be very neutral about this and admit that I know little about PPC, let alone CPA arbitrage.

I believe that it is an interesting opportunity and that Aymen and the gurus are genuine.

But those in the CPA network will already know much of this stuff and I saw that Jerry West walked out after 40 minutes. I thought that was harsh since inevitably you have to bring the beginners up to speed.

The key to profiting from the Arbitrage Conspiracy and ever other Internet marketing or "make money money" product lies in the execution.

Knowledge without action has no value.

Action without knowledge in the CPA arbitrage could cost a bundle from what I understand.

So it has to be knowledge plus action.

I still believe that as more people enter this area, margins will be squeezed but I heard somewhere that one CPA network has 25,000 people earning a reasonable amount every day. (May have been on the Arbitrage Conspiracy call)

The extra one or two thousand from the Arbitrage Conspiracy is therefore very small.

As for your comments about affiliates, yes they are being nicely rewarded although commission rates are tiered based on what you do.

Those who have been hammering their lists earn a higher percentage than me who has just blogged and said "I don't know much about it but this looks interesting..."

Have I bought the Arbitrage Conspiracy?

No.

They didn't meet my information needs during the launch as various items were scheduled and then cancelled.

I'm not sure it's me anyway but I do believe there is a genuine opportunity.

I have also published every comment except for one who was blatantly trying to take away my traffic.

Paul

The problem with this pitch is the same problem psychics have. If you can $100K/day using a system, why bother to SELL the system which is harder work and less return?
What's the psychic's problem? It is: why does the psychic tell fortunes at $10/reading when s/he could be predicting the next lottery number or hot stock?
$100k/day is $36.5MM annual. Not many people sell that many IM products to make $36.5MM/yr.
I usually download the reports, oftentimes b/9 they are so well-produced. But this one is just a big turn off
And if it IS true and it IS real: then sorry, dude, but you need to turn down the volume.

Rick

This is exactly the point I make when I said in my blog

"I don't know about you but the idea of $50,000 to $100,000 profit per day sounds great but the numbers are too big for me to take The Arbitrage Conspiracy seriously.

So in my mind, I've taken 1% of the lower number - that's $500 per day."

Even that is a big number for many and gives a potential payback on 4 days on the "investment" in the Arbitrage Conspiracy.

So scale it back by another factor of 10 - is $50 a day possible from this PPC CPA arbitrage?

That still says the money is paid back in 40 days and everything after that is pure profit.

As for the "Why is Aymen telling people" question, he has announced that he wants to start his own CPA network and as the middleman, there will be a cut going his way.

I said in my last reply to the Arbitrage Conspiracy comments that I wanted to see more pre-launch content released for me to be drawn in.

There something misleading on the report. They say you don't even need a website. This is not true. Is basically impossible to being accepted on one of those CPA networks if you do not have a website.

Basically you need a big website with a lot of traffic to be accepted.

Jonsi

Thanks for your comment.

I don't think that Aymen would have made such a big claim unless he could substantiate it but I do accept that it may be the exception.

For example there may be some small CPA networks that have lower barriers and we no that Aymen will be creating his own CPA network which may not require a website.

Alternatively perhaps he is saying that you don't need a website now because he is going to show you how to set up a website designed fit for purpose.

Sorry I am rambling here.

There is opportunity here, no doubt about it, but the secret to the Arbitrage is kept for the gurus who paid the $10,000 price. Why are they sellin it to the public for only $1997?

It worked.

'Nuff said.

Anthony

I am really pleased that the Arbitrage Conspiracy worked for you.

I know from reading the private Arbitrage Conspiracy forum that a small number of the people who bought have admitted to it taking time to find winning CPA offers and have stacked up some losses from buying traffic.

But even these people were positive about what they had learnt, could see the way forward and believed that the Arbitrage Conspiracy training would pay off.

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